My friend made a ridiculous comment when discussing his support for President Trump; "Now you know how I felt when Obama was President."
RIDICLOUS!
The divisiveness of Tweety single him out as a BAD, BAD, BAD President and there is not similar trait for President Obama! None!
"Koch group condemns ‘divisiveness’ and ‘lack of leadership’ in Washington
by Michelle Ye Hee Lee July 29, 2018
"COLORADO SPRINGS — Top officials with the donor network affiliated with billionaire industrialist Charles Koch this weekend sought to distance the network from the Republican Party and President Trump, citing tariff and immigration policies and “divisive” rhetoric out of Washington. "
My friend a "Fifth Avenue Republican." These "Fifth Avenue Republicans" are so massively tribal and entrenched in extreme conservatism they would allow President Trump to shoot a person on New York's 5th Avenue and still support him and love him.
An energetic discussion . . . do not bother me with the facts? Not all Tweety supporters are as tribal as my friend, neighbor.
For example, my other friend is merely a conservative who will recognize bad deeds when he sees them and is willing to be "bothered" by the facts and details.
Default position: now you know how bad I felt under Obama, and I do not care to know the details of Trump's activities.
My friend said things that were not fact-based. He did not know Trump lies as much as he does, saying "Everyone lies." My friend used that line lot - everyone does it.
My friend said Obama caged kids when we brought up immigrant kids being separated from their parents. When I explained the distinction between what Obama did and what Trump did my friend abruptly says "See! He did it to!" My friend skipped over the facts showing the difference between Obama and Trump.
It is more than hard to get anywhere with a Trump supporter who is so purely tribal and does not want to know the details.
My friend literally said he did not want to know the facts.
BTW, my friend dos not like Hannity . . .THAT IS GOOD!
BTW, I think my friend said he honors the 1st Amendment, but he seems to be as much against ALL media as Trump. THAT is scary
My friend says he wanted Romney as Prez because he was business man. Same for Trump. My response to that is Trump (Romney too actually) are not typical business men. Neither led companies like we typically see business men / women do, i.e., GE. Ford, Pratt-Whitney, BOEING, Raytheon, where many employees are involved in producing products. Trump is a real estate agent, a casino mogul, and he built golf courses. None of these enterprises involves leading people in a successful enterprise. This is not to mention the several bankruptcies Trump "created." Romney never went bankrupt that I know of.
"Why Donald Trump isn’t the successful businessman he claims to be"
He’s long-boasted of how his business acumen makes him fit for president. But, Kurt Eichenwald delves into the history of his deals and finds a catalogue of calamitous ventures
Kurt Eichenwald Sunday 7 August 2016
"Lost contracts, bankruptcies, defaults, deceptions and indifference to investors – Trump’s business career is a long, long list of such troubles, according to regulatory, corporate and court records, as well as sworn testimony and government investigative reports. Call it the art of the bad deal, one created by the arrogance and recklessness of a businessman whose main talent is self-promotion.
He is also pretty good at self-deception, and plain old deception. Trump is willing to claim success even when it is not there, according to his own statements. “I’m just telling you, you wouldn’t say that you’re failing,” he said in a 2007 deposition when asked to explain why he would give an upbeat assessment of his business even if it was in trouble. “If somebody said, ‘How you doing?’ You’re going to say you’re doing good.” Perhaps such dissembling is fine in polite cocktail party conversation, but in the business world it’s called lying."
"Trump, the Bad, Bad Businessman"
By Neil Barsky Aug. 5, 2016
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/07/opinion/sunday/trump-the-bad-bad-businessman.html
"Behind a large mahogany desk sat the bank’s chief lending officer. He explained that all of the banks would have to agree to a huge restructuring of Mr. Trump’s loans or Mr. Trump would have to declare personal bankruptcy. Unknown to the banks when each had lent him money, Mr. Trump ended up personally guaranteeing a staggering $830 million of loans, which was reckless of him, but even more so for the banks.
In a front-page Wall Street Journal article on June 4, 1990, I wrote: “Donald J. Trump’s cash shortage has become critical. The developer is now in intense negotiations with his main bank creditors that could force him to give up big chunks of his empire.” One banker said, “He will have to trim the fat; get rid of the boat, the mansions, the helicopter.”"
What! Facts and truth my friend does not recognize.
"Mr. Trump was a walking disaster as a businessman for much of his life. This is not just my opinion. Warren Buffett said as much this past week."
This author has more to say.
"Since leaving journalism in 1993, I have been a Wall Street real estate analyst and a hedge fund manager. I have studied how businesses thrive and why they fail. Mr. Trump’s political rise has been maddening for me to watch, and I sometimes feel like the character played by Kevin Bacon in the movie “Diner” who screams the right answers to a TV quiz show as the contestants get them wrong.
“The issue isn’t that he’s crass,” I want to shout. “It’s that he’s a bad businessman!”
Hanging on my office wall is a letter written on gold-leaf stationery, dated March 22, 1990. “Dear Neil,” it reads. “From your first incorrect story on Merv Griffin — to your present Wall Street Journal article, you are a disgrace to your profession! Sincerely, Donald J. Trump.” (Mr. Griffin was a Trump rival.)"
Trump lies and then lies about his lies.
"At 70, Mr. Trump is 12 years older than I am. As I watched his career soar in the 1980s and the inordinate amount of press attention he attracted, I was struck by two things: His list of real estate accomplishments were minuscule compared with those of more successful New York developers who garnered far less publicity, and he lied a lot. He made up the prices he was getting for his condominiums, the value of bids he had turned down for various properties and his prospects for luring corporate tenants to his buildings.
And, of course, he lied about his wealth."
"How businessman Trump turned exaggeration into his brand"
May 30, 2018
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/how-businessman-trump-turned-exaggeration-into-his-brand
"President Trump has been called out before for not sticking to the facts. Gwenda Blair, author of "The Trumps: Three Generations of Builders and a President," joins Judy Woodruff to discuss his lifelong predilection for “truthful hyperbole.”"
